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AFC Wimbledon should bury hatchet with MK Dons, say Crazy Gang members

It's time to bury the hatchet with MK… so long as they ditch the 'Dons', say original Crazy Gang ahead of grudge match

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UPDATED:

17:57 GMT, 29 November 2012

It may have been 24 years ago but when the FA Cup comes around, it still stirs passionate emotions among the most famous football mavericks of them all – the Crazy Gang of Wimbledon who shocked the then mighty Liverpool to lift the famous old trophy at Wembley in 1988.

And those passions are no less fiery due to the nature of this weekend’s second round games that pit the reborn AFC Wimbledon against the hated club they call the franchise robbers who stole their birthright – MK Dons.

It was when the original Wimbledon, founder members of the Premier League, died and their League place in the fourth tier was snapped up by the Milton Keynes outfit, headed by opportunist chairman Pete Winkelman, that a vow was taken to restore the old club.

The upset to end all upsets: Lawrie Sanchez heads the winning goal in the 1988 FA Cup Final at Wembley

The upset to end all upsets: Lawrie Sanchez heads the winning goal in the 1988 FA Cup Final at Wembley

Legends: Dave Beasant (centre) and Bobby Gould (bottom) celebrate with the famous old trophy

Legends: Dave Beasant (centre) and Bobby Gould (bottom) celebrate with the famous old trophy

So successful has that been that AFC have climbed all the way back from the Combined Counties League and back into the Football League – and now have the draw that the game would lick their lips over – though AFC fans have warned they won’t set foot in the place that forced them to start all over again on a park pitch.

But the old Dons heroes, the REAL Dons, who won that FA Cup, believe it is time to bury the hatchet with MK – as long as Winkelman agrees to drop the Dons from their name and renames them City, Town, United or some other.

Goalkeeper Dave Beasant, who comes only behind FA Cup Final scorer Lawrie Sanchez in the pantheon of Wimbledon legends by saving a penalty on the great day, led the call last night to call a truce.

Beasant said: ‘There is a lot of bitterness from AFC fans that Wimbledon lost their League status. They think that MK didn’t go about it the right way, when they should have only gained a place in the League by qualifying through non-league football.

‘You understand the bitterness but it’s been done, it was a while and the position isn’t going to be changed. And MK Dons are a progressive team, having gained promotion to League Three, just as AFC have progressed into the League proper.

Dons folklore: Beasant dives to his left to save a penalty from Liverpool striker John Aldridge

Dons folklore: Beasant dives to his left to save a penalty from Liverpool striker John Aldridge in the Final

‘I know a lot of fans won’t forget about it. But this is now a Cup match, the two teams are meeting for the first time. And AFC getting there from where they started is what Wimbledon’s history is all about.

‘We were never a big club but got a big name through winning the FA Cup. It’s a game that will be talked about because of the way MK attained their League status on the back of Wimbledon losing theirs.

FA Cup Final 1988 – Match Facts

Wimbledon: Dave Beasant (c); Clive Goodyear, Eric Young, Andy Thorn, Terry Phelan; Alan Cork (Laurie Cunningham 56), Vinnie Jones, Lawrie Sanchez, Dennis Wise; John Fashanu, Terry Gibson (John Scales 63)

Manager: Bobby Gould

Goals: Sanchez 37

Liverpool: Bruce Grobbelaar; Steve Nicol, Gary Gillespie, Alan Hansen (c), Gary Ablett; Ray Houghton, Nigel Spackman (Jan Mlby 74), Steve McMahon, John Barnes; Peter Beardsley, John Aldridge (Craig Johnston 64)

Manager: Kenny Dalglish

‘Of course I have more of a feeling for AFC because they represent the foundations that Wimbledon came from. I don’t know how many fans went with MK or how many stayed. I know a few did and one or two became directors.

‘But I do feel they should stand on their own two feet now as Milton Keynes – forget calling themselves Dons.’

Beasant, now a part-time coach with Bristol Rovers and previously Glenn Hoddle’s academy in Spain until it finished, added: ‘If they would drop the Dons from their name, I do feel that would go some way to appeasing Wimbledon’s current fans.’

In looking back to those great days of the Crazy Gang, Beasant says: ’We weren’t given the credit we deserved as individual players because of the way we played. But look how many of us did move on to bigger clubs after the Cup triumph – myself, the likes of John Fashanu, Dennis Wise and Vinnie Jones.’

Yet through the mists of time he sees one man as the original Crazy Gang founder – current West Ham coach Wally Downes. Beasant explained: ‘He was the original before myself and Alan Cork joined in. Then the likes of Fash, Wisey and Vinny became associate members.’

New dawn: Wimbledon's league place was taken by the newly-formed MK Dons in 2004

New dawn: Wimbledon's league place was taken by the newly-formed MK Dons in 2004

New dawn: Wimbledon's league place was taken by the newly-formed MK Dons in 2004

Injury prevented Downes from sharing in the FA Cup glory but he was there from the start as an apprentice Crazy Gangster.

Another who came through that route was Cup Finalist Andy Thorn, up until recently the Coventry manager before his heroic struggle to keep them from being relegated to Division One gave out.

Thorn, who is now eager to get back into the managerial fray after settling compensation, remembers the kind of stunt the Gang were famous for. He said: ‘We used to go everywhere in this minibus, lads all piled in the back, feet up on the kit like a bunch of schoolboys. That was the way we went to White Hart Lane to play our FA Cup semi-final against Luton.

‘It was a minibus I remembered well after my first experience of the senior team, a trip to Leyton Orient when I was probably 13th man.

VIDEO: Dean Holdsworth's FA Cup memories

‘After we won, I was ordered to get to the nearest off licence in Leyton High St to get the beers in. I duly brought armfuls of cans back, handed them over, upon which the back doors were slammed in my face and they roared off leaving me stranded in the middle of the high street!

‘So I was left to get a couple of buses and trains back home on my own.

‘But it was all part of the growing up, the toughening up. We don’t go out of our way to see each other these days but it’s as though we’ve never been away when we do bump into each other. It seems we’re all following the same pattern of life, a few divorces, and we’re all moving on.

‘On the big game, I regard them as two
completely separate clubs now. But with Wimbledon, the way we battled
from where we came from to get as far as founder members of the Premier
League, what we had to overcome, the supporters of the new AFC have done
exactly the same thing. It epitomises what Wimbledon are all about.’

Phoenix from the flames: AFC Wimbledon have risen through non-league football to League Two

Phoenix from the flames: AFC Wimbledon have risen through non-league football to League Two

Phoenix from the flames: AFC Wimbledon have risen through non-league football to League Two

Cup Final winning manager Bobby Gould regards himself as an honorary Crazy Gang member and recalls hilarious times. Gould, who now has a regular show on Talksport, said: ‘I originally joined Wimbledon as a player after the sack from Chelsea as a coach in 1981 when I answered an advert from then manager Dave Bassett for a centre forward. It was 40 a week and 20 expenses.

‘When I was manager the one who was always up to something was Dennis Wise. I could never take my eyes off him.

‘The players used to have what was known as The Circle when a dispute needed settling. They would form a circle and the two players who had a problem with each other would have a grapple, like wrestling – but no punching or biting!

‘After a few days there, Wisey shouted: ‘’Circle’’. I said: ‘’Who’s in it’’ He said: ‘’You are Gouldy, you’ve upset me’’. So I couldn’t back down,

‘We started to fight and all of a sudden I land on his fist and crack a rib. I had the physio Steve Allan in and said: ‘’Get me up the stairs to the dressing room before I faint because at the moment I’m winning’!

‘But I had fought Wisey in the circle. We laughed and we never stopped. But the beauty of them was they knew when they wanted to do the job and went about it the right way.’

VIDEO: We are Wimbledon

Gould will be supporting AFC this weekend, though admits: ‘I started off supporting MK in the early days, simply because I wanted Wimbledon to survive in some form or other. But once AFC came on the scene, starting up from a Sunday kickabout, my allegiance changed to them.

‘On the day I’ll be wearing my lucky tracksuit that I wore the day we won the FA Cup. I agree with Dave Beasant that now MK should do the decent thing and drop the Dons part of their name. Why not be City, United or whatever. They don’t need it, they’ve handed back all the trophies so they recognise that Wimbledon are the true Dons.’

Alan Cork, who can proudly claim that he played for Wimbledon in every division of the old Football League, sadly does not connect with AFC as much as some of the others. He said: ‘I don’t have a club to go back to in Wimbledon like I can with Sheffield United, because it’s not the same one I played for. I know a lot of the boys do associate with AFC but as far as any dispute with MK Dons is concerned I don’t have a serious view.’

Cork, formerly a No 2 for Gary Megson at Bolton and now a part-time scout for Stuart Pearce’s England Under 21s, added: ‘MK have an excellent stadium and a thriving club. The cup tie I won’t be supporting either, as my loyalties now are to Southampton where my son Jack plays and is doing very well.

‘It’s hard to get to watch him because I am normally at another game. I was recently at Italy v. Spain Under 21s for Stuart. Italy are in our group in the championship finals next summer. Spain have got quite some side….’

Different Dons with differing views but the old boys will all have memories of great past deeds this weekend.

VIDEO: The best FA Cup second-round shocks

Martin Keown picks his best XI from Chelsea and Manchester United

Martin Keown: So, who would make my Chelsea-United team

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UPDATED:

23:20 GMT, 26 October 2012

When you think of how far Chelsea were behind Manchester United last season, it seems odd that a combined XI of the players who could feature on Sunday would be dominated by the London side.

Petr Cech has been arguably the Premier League’s most consistent goalkeeper for many years and has to be the No 1 as United regularly swap between David de Gea and Anders Lindegaard.

Likewise, Chelsea have dominant full backs, with Ashley Cole probably the best left back in the world and Branislav Ivanovic a goal threat as well as a very solid defender.

Big fan: Keown likes Chelsea's Ramires and he earns a place in his team

Big fan: Keown likes Chelsea's Ramires and he earns a place in his team

In the middle of defence, John Terry doesn’t come into the equation because of his suspension but Gary Cahill is a more than able deputy. Alongside him, Rio Ferdinand has to be our first United player as he is still classy, excellent on the ball and reads the game brilliantly.

Chelsea’s strength this season has undoubtedly been in midfield and so Eden Hazard and Juan Mata have to be in the side. They will create endless chances and their equivalents at United — Nani, Antonio Valencia and Shinji Kagawa (who is injured) — have not quite reached that level yet.

Leading the line: Manchester United's Wayne Rooney makes Keown's combined team

Leading the line: Manchester United's Wayne Rooney makes Keown's combined team

In the middle, I’d have the perfect balance of the pass-master Paul Scholes and the engine and constant running of Ramires, of whom I am a big fan.

Up front, however, there is no contest. Fernando Torres continues to struggle and United have arguably the most potent strikeforce in the league in Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney. Rooney would sit just behind the Dutchman and you can be sure the goals will follow.

Chelsea United XI

Ray Parlour, Graeme Le Saux, Brian McBride and Claudio Caniggia play for Wembley FC

Wembley edge five-goal FA Cup clash… with a little help from Parlour, Le Saux, McBride and Caniggia

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UPDATED:

14:04 GMT, 11 August 2012

Fantasy football 2012

They were once household names on the international stage.

But Graeme Le Saux, Ray Parlour, Claudio Caniggia, Brian McBride and Sportsmail's Martin Keown went back to basics on their return to the game when they turned out for non-league Wembley FC.

As part of a publicity stunt for the FA
Cup, the former stars featured in the 3-2 extra preliminary round win
against Langford at Vale Park.

Romford Pele: Ray Parlour rolled back the years after pulling on a red shirt at Vale Park

Romford Pele: Ray Parlour rolled back the years after pulling on a red shirt at Vale Park

Still got it: Graeme Le Saux shows his touch on his return to the FA Cup

Still got it: Graeme Le Saux shows his touch on his return to the FA Cup

The team, who play in the Combined Counties Premier Division – eight tiers below the Premier League – are also managed by former England boss Terry Venables.

The ex-internationals are playing for Wembley as part of a TV documentary, with the match shown live on ESPN and Facebook.

Game for a laugh: Terry Venables watches on from the sidelines

Game for a laugh: Terry Venables watches on from the sidelines

Game for a laugh: Former England manager Terry Venables watches on from the sidelines

Star of the show: Claudio Caniggia celebrates scoring the first goal

Star of the show: Claudio Caniggia celebrates scoring the first goal

McBride and Caniggia started up front for the hosts, with the latter scoring the opener before having a hand in the eventual winner.

Also part of Venables' staff is David Seaman, who has been helping out with coaching. It is not yet known whether any of the big names will continue.

Former Arsenal stars Martin Keown and Ray Parlour come out of retirement to play in FA Cup

The stars come out to play in the Cup… Keown, Parlour, Le Saux and McBride set to feature for Wembley

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UPDATED:

23:08 GMT, 10 August 2012

Sportsmail's Martin Keown will return to football on Saturday when he lines up for Wembley FC in the FA Cup.

Keown joins Ray Parlour, Graeme Le Saux, Brian McBride and Claudio Caniggia for the extra preliminary round match against Langford FC.

The team, who play in the Combined Counties Premier Division – eight tiers below the Premier League – will be managed by former England boss Terry Venables.

Back in action: Former Arsenal defender and Sportsmail columnist Martin Keown is coming out of retirement to play for Wembley FC in the FA Cup

Back in action: Former Arsenal defender and Sportsmail columnist Martin Keown is coming out of retirement to play for Wembley FC in the FA Cup

Legends on show: David Seaman, Ray Parlour, Martin Keown, Graeme Le Saux, Claudio Caniggia, and Brian McBride have been signed by Budweiser to play and coach at Wembley FC, where Terry Venables is Technical Advisor

Legends on show: David Seaman, Ray Parlour, Martin Keown, Graeme Le Saux, Claudio Caniggia, and Brian McBride have been signed by Budweiser to play and coach at Wembley FC, where Terry Venables is Technical Advisor

Forty-six-year-old Keown and the other former international stars are playing for Wembley as part of a TV documentary.

Keown has been training hard to get fit for the Langford match but is likely to start on the bench at Vale Park.

Saturday's match will also be shown live on ESPN and Facebook.

Terry Venables joins Wembley FC as technical advisor for FA Cup run

Venables is back at Wembley… Ex-England boss takes up advisor role with minnows

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12:58 GMT, 28 March 2012

Terry Venables is back in football with the FA Cup at the top of his in-tray at Wembley…

No, the ex-England manager is not back at Spurs helping them prepare for next month's semi-final against Chelsea. He's the new technical advisor at non-league Wembley FC.

The 69-year-old will join the Combined Counties League Premier Division outfit to help prepare them for next season's FA Cup.

Up for the cup: Terry Venables will help Wembley FC in their FA Cup charge next season

Up for the cup: Terry Venables will help Wembley FC in their FA Cup charge next season

Venables, who memorably guided Spurs to Cup glory at the old Twin Towers in 1991, will act as a mentor for manager Ian Bates' side.

His appointment follows the club's new sponsorship deal with competition sponsors Budweiser as part of an ambitious bid for Wembley FC to go as far as they can.

The former Barcelona boss will watch Wembley in action this Saturday against Dorking and said: 'This opportunity to share my knowledge of decades with an eager group of players and coaches was too important to turn down.

'Managing, coaching and teaching football has been an essential part of my life for over 30 years.

'If they are willing to learn, I am willing to teach.

'Grassroots football is essential for the lifeblood of the professional game and if I can leave Wembley FC in a better position than I found it then it will be a job well done.

'It is early days but the signs are encouraging.'

Wembley boss Bates hopes Venables can inspire his squad, whose motto is 'A Posse Ad Esse' – 'From Possibility to Reality.'

All smiles: Venables will help the non-league minnows as their new technical advisor

All smiles: Venables will help the non-league minnows as their new technical advisor

He said: 'This is a tremendous opportunity for Wembley FC.

'To have a football legend like Terry Venables mentor not just me, but the whole club is a dream come true.

'I believe that our passion combined with his expertise will propel the club to new levels.

'Terry's arrival has brought extra magic to this already fantastic experience for the club and we're looking forward to the journey.'

Iain Newell, Budweiser's UK Marketing Director, added: 'We believe that the best way to champion the FA Cup is to celebrate its uniqueness from the grassroots up helping to create unexpected moments and real anticipation for what may come.

'We're pleased to be able to support Wembley FC as they strive to achieve their dreams and we think their story will really resonate with FA Cup fans regardless of which team they support.'

To stay in touch with Wembley FC and their progress with Budweiser follow them on Twitter: @WembleyFC

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